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catholic answers forum 4 dummies We don't know who wrote Hebrews, but it does reflect a lot of fundamentals about Jewish Temple practices and beliefs.

Mar 31, '13, 3:10 pm

valerie10 Banned   Join Date: March 30, 2013 Posts: 3 Religion: catholic

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by PJM OR One MUST ADD in doing so VERY likely chosing eternal damnatio in theprocess: And NO, it's not my opinion [although I agree with tis truth] Heb. 6: 2-8 [caps for emphasis not shouting] TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND "CHURCH" WAS TODAYS CC. "Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible** for those who were once illuminated,[GRANTED GRACE 4 TRUE FAITH singular]] have tasted also the heavenly gift,[CATHOLIC EUCHARIST] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SAC. OF CONFIRMATION]] Have moreover tasted the good word of God,[CORRECT BIBLE TEACHINGS] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, [SAC. OF CONFESSION] crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery. For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt "IMPOSSIBLE" here does NOT mean that repentace can't take place; only that Gods necessary grace to do so will be difficult to attain. One God Founded only His One Church & w/ it Only One set of faith beliefs. There is absolutely NO doubt that choosing to leave the CC is choosing to Abandon God! Amen We MUST serve God HIS WAY; period! Let us pray for those fooling and selfish enough to have made such a choice hello i would like to know the commentary you are referring to on Hebrews 6, as i have not seen that use of these verses used to justify the sacraments thanks i would guess this commentary is common knowledge some where on this catholic answers forum

#28   Mar 31, '13, 8:19 pm

Offdoodykcrn Junior Member   Join Date: February 11, 2013 Posts: 683 Religion: Christian

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 ... and saint paul was said to be warning the people that they could not go back to animal sacrifice, as pointed out in hebrews chapter 5- because Jesus was the completed and perfect sacrifice- and no longer bull and goats could do the job. There is quite a bit of debate about the Letter to the Hebrews - but one thing most scholars agree on: Paul didn't write it. The syntax and style are very different from the other writings that are attributed to Paul - among other issues. It's not quite as controversial as the Book of Revelations, but it's something to keep in mind when referencing it.

#29   Mar 31, '13, 10:10 pm

guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Posts: 25,945 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by valerie10 hello i would like to know the commentary you are referring to on Hebrews 6, as i have not seen that use of these verses used to justify the sacraments thanks i would guess this commentary is common knowledge some where on this catholic answers forum Actually our understanding of these verses does not come from a commentary, but from the Sacred Tradition, which is explained in the catechism. The imposition of hands is a reference to ordination. Being illuminated and tasting of the heavenly gift is a reference to the Eucharist. Partaking of the Holy Ghost is something one can only do if one has expereinced the sacraments of initiation (baptism, confirmation and eucharist). What have you seen this passage used for? __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

#30   Mar 31, '13, 10:20 pm

guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Posts: 25,945 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Different religion Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 Heb. 6: 2-8 [caps for emphasis not shouting] TAKE NOTE THAT WHEN THESE WORDS WERE WRITTEN THE ONLY GOD; FAITH AND "CHURCH" TODAYS CC. are u sure?? Yes. Jesus only founded one Church. It was Catholic. The entire New Testament was written by, for, and about Catholics. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 saint paul as some people say wrote hebrews around 65 ad, and temple worship was in place at that time-- We don't know who wrote Hebrews, but it does reflect a lot of fundamentals about Jewish Temple practices and beliefs. The writer is trying to help the Hebrew Christians understand how Christ fulfills all the prophesies and sacrifices that prefigured him. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 and saint paul was said to be warning the people that they could not go back to animal sacrifice, as pointed out in hebrews chapter 5- because Jesus was the completed and perfect sacrifice- and no longer bull and goats could do the job. No doubt. But the reason they could not go back is that they had become baptized Catholics. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 i don't believe the sacramental system of today CC was in place at this time-- What is a "sacramental system"? I don't think Paul wrote Hebrews, but that is a moot point. Certainly he wrote I and II Corinthians, and it is clear that in 50 AD, quite before the letter to the Hebrews, Paul had received the Sacraments, and was teaching about them, as well as ordaining bishops to offer them to the flock of God. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 all though Baptism is mentioned in this section of verses- so obviously that was part of saint paul commentary It is curious that all Christians believed that these verses were about the sacramental life, up until very recently when Christians insisted on reading them apart from the faith that produced them. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 . and further more the heavenly gift was said to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit and all of it's manifestations..as in Acts 19 -- in that paul said have you received the Holy Spirit No one who was not baptized was admittted to the Eucharist. The writer of Hebrews refers to "tasting" of the heavenly gift, which is what we do when we receive the Body and Blood of the Lord. But I do agree with you, baptism of the HS does make us partakers of His grace, and the manifestations of the Spirit, given for the common good. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 so i also m interested in this unusual sacramental commentary you have posted, and where you copied it from. It may seem unusual to you because you seem to come from a faith tradition that has been separated from the Apostolic faith for as much as 500 years. During that time, each generation has drifted further and futher from the One Faith taught by the Apostles. Quote: Originally Posted by Utwo2 i m guessing that the counsel of trent had something to do with it Certainly the council of Trent reinforced and reiterated the Apostolic Teaching on the nature of the sacraments. __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).